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T O P I C R E V I E WMama MiaMy son is an inspiring actor/model..Next month he will be starring in a play. He attends the Chicago theatre company. He is so for being a actor/model. All his money goes to Vogue and all the other fashion magazines. I tell him all the time if our place catches on fire we will go up quick bc of these magazines..Any way he hasSunMerc Venus Jupiter Chironall in the 8th house..He tells me all the time that he knows he is going to be famous he feels it in his gut and cannot wait. He is only 15 and is super super anxous..He also has uranus in the first house. Can anyone brief me on 8th house and fame..Thanks.. wilsontcMia,The 8th house is about transformation and power...what occurs after two people get together and begin to inter-relate. It is possible it is the possibility of power that interests your son most. The Sun is about our self-expression, so if his Sun is strongly emphasized in some way and in the 8th house, he may be interested in powerfully expressing himself.Guessing,TimMama MiaTim I totally see that, I get it now..Thanks.. astro junkieMama Mia -I would like to know the Signs those Planets are in, because if they somehow correspond intensely with that 8th House, then, to me, it gives the Uranus in the 1st even more power -which to me, by the way, is a very "gypsy" placing.If they know it that strongly, it's usually a good thing.------------------ ... it's better to light a candle than curse the darknessFull-fifthhouse-loulouI'm not an expert as much as astro and Tim but he's certianly gonna amount to something with his power eight house so full! Especially if he 'feels' it, cos that intuition thing is very eight house.------------------SCORPIO SUN 5TH HOUSEASCENDANT CANCERCANCER MOON 12TH HOUSERev. AliceMama MiaSorry, gotta be blunt here.What having all those planets, especially the Sun, in the eighth primarily tell me is that he is getting a lot of resistance to "being who/what he is."He may use that resistance as drive, so that he accomplishes much--not because of you. but--in spite of you.------------------You are a blessing and you are blessed. Rev. Alicewww.lifeprintastrology.comMama MiaThanks guys..Rev. Alice, I am not understanding you I encourage my son to be all that he is and more. I always tell him be who you are bc I am always gonna be who I am, I was taught that by my mom. he is getting a lot of resistance to "being who/what he is." And what is that suppose to mean???Astro:Merc-VirgoVenus-VirgoJupiter-LeoChiron-LeoUranus-Cap 1st house. wilsontcMama,To take Rev. Alice's comment in a slightly different way...we tend to see people the way our energies direct us to see people. So, if we have stressful connections with a person we will tend to see the person as stressful...whether or not they are trying to create stress in us. Similarly, we tend to experience our own stressful energies in the same way: for example, if we have a stressed Moon (home, also nurturing parent) we tend to think of the nurturing parent as CAUSING our internal stress, whether they are or not. This is especially common in children, in which they experience their chart energy stresses as some type of external "cause" that "makes" them stressed.When a person gets older and becomes an adult, they can learn to separate out what problems are caused from their own way of approaching things and what problems are caused by other people deliberately causing them problems. But making this type of distinction as a child is difficult.For children with a strong 8th house, the issue of "being in control" is VERY important. So a common reaction is to create an external world that wants to control THEM...which the person rebels against as "resistance" to their own efforts to be in control.About childish challenges,Timcristinamesince he's doing what he wants most, what he's passionate about, what he does best...how did *fame* become an issue? why?the 8th is about other's values (either money, or 'values' in gen), and power. combine that with a methodical sign as virgo (sun-mercury-venus) and we're talking about taking care of others' resources. in the film industry, it sounds more like a producer. (money, power and artistic creativity combined)geminirising26Simply on a mundane level, there are interpretations of the Sun specifically in the 8th house involving fame. According to The Only Astrology Book You'll Ever Need (which maybe you have) the author says "there is a possibility of achieving fame near the end of your life or after death"Does he have Neptune aspecting his Ascendant or Midheaven? Neptune governs film, so this could indicate a career in film/acting. This is just my opinion, but I think people who have a need to be famous or to search for fame often feel as if they have something to prove or are looking for something that they feel is missing in their own lives. Just a thought!cristinameinteresting...i remember noel tyl interpreting pluto contacts in the natal chart as wanting to be near famous people / having fame by association,... i can't remember specific details, though... anyways, for tyl, fame is a matter of jupiter/pluto (the mp) i agree (have something to prove); i guess over-compenastion is neccessary to reach very high because you need to make an extra effort for that. it's not a regular walk in the park...i have neptune conj mc and i must stress that it makes one in no way ambitious or driven (something very imp to become famous); yet...you're right; film-director school GlaucusWhen it comes to occupation. I would check the occupational houses which are the 10th,6th,and 2nd houses.I would check:1.Midheaven(10th house cusp):it's sign,the aspects to it,2. 10th house house: its planets,their sign placements,the aspects to them3.the ruler of the midheaven,its sign placement,house placement and aspects 4.6th house:its planets,their sign placements aspects to them5.the ruler of the 6th house,its sign placement,house placement, and aspects6.2nd house planets:its planets,their sign placements,the aspects to them7.the ruler of the 2nd house,its sign placement,house placement,and aspectsAdditional stuff:Sun: the sign,house placement,and its aspects..also midpoint configurationsMoon:the sign,house placement,and its aspects....also midpoint configurationsAsc:the sign,house placements,and its aspects....also midpoint configurations1.midpoints involving the Midheavenhard aspects,midpoints involving the Aries Point(00'00 Aries)2.which is said to be the most impersonal point and related to being in the public eye.You can also check minor aspects, the quintile and biquintile for talent,creativity indications. The decile(semiquintile)which also relates to talent,creativity,as well occupational stuff.BTW...I have Sun conj Jupiter/Pluto midpoint,square Pluto/Midheaven midpoint as well as Sun/Mars midpoint square Pluto and Aries Pt,and I am not famous. I did want to be rich and famous when I was a kid...I wanted to be in show business growing up (screenwriter,actor,producer,director),but I let my mom discourage me. Now,I don't even care about that stuff. I'd rather have a private personal life than be in the public eye. When you become rich and famous,you lose a lot of privacy. I wouldn't want to be tabloid fodder.23I agree with Glaucus, I think you'd have to look at all those things that he recommended. Also I have noticed, singers tend to have often Tau moon that is in the 10th and Actors have a 1st house sun (or 5th) a lot of the time. I also agree that I would hate to be famous. I like my privacy. I've never really wanted to be famous and I haven't really seen my chart to see what I lack in my chart that doesn't give me that drive. But generally, you need someone who insanely wants to be famous to be famous. I haven't really heard anything about 8th house placements equating with fame. Still what Tim says might be plausible, he may express himself in an intense way which might lead to something like a first house sun type of expression. Mama MiaThanks guys enjoy all the comments..My son is a Leo he likes attention Leo's are nortorius for that. A first house sun in equivalent to the sign Leo. I have a 1st house sun..I know..Alot of Leo are actors I have notice. I do see film/director though he has a eye for fashion and pictures. He has shown me things that I would have not normally noticed in pictures. Only time will tell. I do know that he has great drive and he will be something special in life and he will be happy at what it is he will be doing. That alone makes me happy... 23Hm, I'm highjacking this post a bit, but I have looked up my midpoints. I have my 6th house ruler, mercury in the 10th. Sun also in 10th. My 2nd house ruler in 9th. Cap MC.My sun-moon midpoint conj nep, sun-venus (14.5 Cap) widely conj MC (16.5), sun-mars (8 Ari) conj BML (9 Ari), Sun-Node conj Venus. My jup-plu midpoint (14.5deg can) is conj my IC (16.5 deg Can) and widely squ my jup (17.5 ari) and pluto (11.5). Otherwise, the only other clear aspect to a point is MC-Ura midpoint conj Neptune. astroleoladyMama Mia,Have you read this article about fame and popularity written by Celeste Teal? http://moonvalleyastrologer.com/fame.htm "I did a study of the charts of 150 famous people from all walks of life to determine what similarities their charts held. The findings were significant and I enjoyed the project immensely. Even if your goal is only to elicit a favorable response from others, you should find some interesting things about yourself based on your Moon."GlaucusTechnically Sun in 1st is not like Sun in Leo. Sun in 1st is like Sun in Aries because 1st house is associated with AriesHowever, Sun in 1st is similar to a Leo Ascendant....especially if Sun is conjunct the Ascendant. Sun in 1st is core,vitality,and self expression in areas of self.Sun in 5th house is like Sun in Leo.It's also at home in 5th house. Leo and 5th house are both ruled by the Sun. 5th house is associated with Leo. Sun in 5th house indicates the core,vitality,and self expression in areas of self expression,creativity.Planets in houses tend to have affinities with the planets in signs associated with the houses1st/Aries2nd/Taurus3rd/Gemini4th/Cancer5th/Leo6th/Virgo7th/Libra8th/Scorpio9th/Sagittarius10th/Gemini11th/Aquarius12th/PiscesSun in 1st house similar to Leo AscMoon in 1st house similar to Cancer AscMercury in 1st house similar to Gemini AscVenus in 1st similar to Libra AscMars in 1st similar to Aries AscJupiter in 1st similar to Sagittarius AscUranus in 1st similar to Aquarius AscNeptune in 1st similar to Pisces AscPluto in 1st similar to Scorpio AscI agree with a lot of Leos being actors.23Um, I never said that a 1st house sun was a Leo. I just notice that those with a first house sun (and 5th) tend to be actors most likely because they exert their personality through a their own personal sphere (1st house), which of course would only get stronger if it conj asc. 5th house suns are leo-like because of their expression of their personality through creativity or they use their personality to createGlaucus23,I know. I was referring to what MamaMia said.Mama MiaI knew someone was going to challenge me on this..I got this from BOb Marks column. I do believe this bc I have 1st house Sun and this is a trait of mine. However I do seem to attract alot of Aries ppl or Aries influenced ppl..Thankyou Sun in the First House: gives you the traits of Leo, wanting attention and to be in the center of things at all times.wilsontcMia,The Sun (self-expression) focused in the 1rst house is the Sun in the house of its exaltation (very easy energy). Since Sun rules Leo, some astrologers draw a connection between a first house Sun (exaltation) and Sun in Leo (rulership). Personally, I find this kind of "simplifying" to create confusion for those newer to astrology. Instead of focusing on LEO (i.e., "Sun in Leo" is like "Sun in 1rst house), it makes more sense to focus on Sun. Sun is strong in its own sign (Leo). Sun is very strong in house of exaltation (1rst house). Keeping the focus on the Sun makes it clear that it is the Sun energy which is being discussed.Explaining,TimHeart--Shaped CrossPlanets in the upper half of the chart tend to indicate extroversion, but the 8th house tends to hide things.It does make a person enigmatic, and often charismatic, though.Indications of fame, that I know of:Jupiter in Leo Planets/points in LeoMoon in AquariusMoon in the 1st houseMoon in the 10th houseMoon heavily aspectedAny planet or point within 2 degrees of an Aries point(Aries points are the 0' of all Cardinal signs;Aries, Cancer, Libra, Capricorn)Close aspects to the MC(esp. from Sun, Moon, Venus, or Jupiter)An actor would likely have some mercury/gemini and/or neptune/pisces aspects to the Midheaven, or in the 10th house.cristinameactually, I doubt that we can find *having* fame in a natal chart, but simply *wanting fame*.bc fame is an interaction with the environment - you can't see how others *react to you* in your chart; you can only see what you do to try to get their reaction (win them over, for example, if you want the attention)(ok, maybe the 11th since it's describes your dreams and hopes could tell if they'll become true or not)ok, a 1st house moon with a 'me-first' attitude may get her way nowadays (like madonna), but only last century she would've hit her head a lot against walls;so... what you do/want may be well received by others (and you get love, attention, fame) or not. depending on whether it fits the age you live in, the trend, etc etc... or maybe simply blind, old-fashioned luckteal's theory about the moon is based on very old beliefs, actually. since ancient times, the moon refelcted the 'tide' (the trend of the time), thus als the public and its reaction/reception - building on the fact that one either has this feeling of "what the public wants", or hasn't (moon as the unconscious). and.MUSTANG quote:According to The Only Astrology Book You'll Ever NeedI have this book! I haven't read it in awhile, but I liked it a lot. I got it before the internet and it was great for figuring out where all my planets and ascendant was. I should read it again.
Any way he hasSunMerc Venus Jupiter Chironall in the 8th house..
He tells me all the time that he knows he is going to be famous he feels it in his gut and cannot wait. He is only 15 and is super super anxous..
He also has uranus in the first house.
Can anyone brief me on 8th house and fame..Thanks..
The 8th house is about transformation and power...what occurs after two people get together and begin to inter-relate. It is possible it is the possibility of power that interests your son most. The Sun is about our self-expression, so if his Sun is strongly emphasized in some way and in the 8th house, he may be interested in powerfully expressing himself.
Guessing,
Tim
Thanks..
I would like to know the Signs those Planets are in, because if they somehow correspond intensely with that 8th House, then, to me, it gives the Uranus in the 1st even more power -
which to me, by the way, is a very "gypsy" placing.
If they know it that strongly, it's usually a good thing.
------------------ ... it's better to light a candle than curse the darkness
------------------SCORPIO SUN 5TH HOUSEASCENDANT CANCERCANCER MOON 12TH HOUSE
Sorry, gotta be blunt here.
What having all those planets, especially the Sun, in the eighth primarily tell me is that he is getting a lot of resistance to "being who/what he is."
He may use that resistance as drive, so that he accomplishes much--not because of you. but--in spite of you.
------------------You are a blessing and you are blessed. Rev. Alicewww.lifeprintastrology.com
Rev. Alice, I am not understanding you I encourage my son to be all that he is and more. I always tell him be who you are bc I am always gonna be who I am, I was taught that by my mom.
he is getting a lot of resistance to "being who/what he is." And what is that suppose to mean???
Astro:
Merc-VirgoVenus-VirgoJupiter-LeoChiron-LeoUranus-Cap 1st house.
To take Rev. Alice's comment in a slightly different way...we tend to see people the way our energies direct us to see people. So, if we have stressful connections with a person we will tend to see the person as stressful...whether or not they are trying to create stress in us. Similarly, we tend to experience our own stressful energies in the same way: for example, if we have a stressed Moon (home, also nurturing parent) we tend to think of the nurturing parent as CAUSING our internal stress, whether they are or not. This is especially common in children, in which they experience their chart energy stresses as some type of external "cause" that "makes" them stressed.
When a person gets older and becomes an adult, they can learn to separate out what problems are caused from their own way of approaching things and what problems are caused by other people deliberately causing them problems. But making this type of distinction as a child is difficult.
For children with a strong 8th house, the issue of "being in control" is VERY important. So a common reaction is to create an external world that wants to control THEM...which the person rebels against as "resistance" to their own efforts to be in control.
About childish challenges,
how did *fame* become an issue? why?
the 8th is about other's values (either money, or 'values' in gen), and power. combine that with a methodical sign as virgo (sun-mercury-venus) and we're talking about taking care of others' resources. in the film industry, it sounds more like a producer. (money, power and artistic creativity combined)
Does he have Neptune aspecting his Ascendant or Midheaven? Neptune governs film, so this could indicate a career in film/acting.
This is just my opinion, but I think people who have a need to be famous or to search for fame often feel as if they have something to prove or are looking for something that they feel is missing in their own lives. Just a thought!
anyways, for tyl, fame is a matter of jupiter/pluto (the mp)
i agree (have something to prove); i guess over-compenastion is neccessary to reach very high because you need to make an extra effort for that. it's not a regular walk in the park...
i have neptune conj mc and i must stress that it makes one in no way ambitious or driven (something very imp to become famous); yet...you're right; film-director school
I would check:
1.Midheaven(10th house cusp):it's sign,the aspects to it,2. 10th house house: its planets,their sign placements,the aspects to them3.the ruler of the midheaven,its sign placement,house placement and aspects 4.6th house:its planets,their sign placements aspects to them5.the ruler of the 6th house,its sign placement,house placement, and aspects6.2nd house planets:its planets,their sign placements,the aspects to them7.the ruler of the 2nd house,its sign placement,house placement,and aspects
Additional stuff:
Sun: the sign,house placement,and its aspects..also midpoint configurations
Moon:the sign,house placement,and its aspects....also midpoint configurations
Asc:the sign,house placements,and its aspects....also midpoint configurations
1.midpoints involving the Midheavenhard aspects,midpoints involving the Aries Point(00'00 Aries)
2.which is said to be the most impersonal point and related to being in the public eye.
You can also check minor aspects, the quintile and biquintile for talent,creativity indications. The decile(semiquintile)which also relates to talent,creativity,as well occupational stuff.
BTW...I have Sun conj Jupiter/Pluto midpoint,square Pluto/Midheaven midpoint as well as Sun/Mars midpoint square Pluto and Aries Pt,and I am not famous. I did want to be rich and famous when I was a kid...I wanted to be in show business growing up (screenwriter,actor,producer,director),but I let my mom discourage me. Now,I don't even care about that stuff. I'd rather have a private personal life than be in the public eye. When you become rich and famous,you lose a lot of privacy. I wouldn't want to be tabloid fodder.
I also agree that I would hate to be famous. I like my privacy. I've never really wanted to be famous and I haven't really seen my chart to see what I lack in my chart that doesn't give me that drive. But generally, you need someone who insanely wants to be famous to be famous.
I haven't really heard anything about 8th house placements equating with fame. Still what Tim says might be plausible, he may express himself in an intense way which might lead to something like a first house sun type of expression.
My son is a Leo he likes attention Leo's are nortorius for that. A first house sun in equivalent to the sign Leo. I have a 1st house sun..I know..
Alot of Leo are actors I have notice. I do see film/director though he has a eye for fashion and pictures. He has shown me things that I would have not normally noticed in pictures.
Only time will tell. I do know that he has great drive and he will be something special in life and he will be happy at what it is he will be doing. That alone makes me happy...
My sun-moon midpoint conj nep, sun-venus (14.5 Cap) widely conj MC (16.5), sun-mars (8 Ari) conj BML (9 Ari), Sun-Node conj Venus. My jup-plu midpoint (14.5deg can) is conj my IC (16.5 deg Can) and widely squ my jup (17.5 ari) and pluto (11.5). Otherwise, the only other clear aspect to a point is MC-Ura midpoint conj Neptune.
Have you read this article about fame and popularity written by Celeste Teal? http://moonvalleyastrologer.com/fame.htm
"I did a study of the charts of 150 famous people from all walks of life to determine what similarities their charts held. The findings were significant and I enjoyed the project immensely. Even if your goal is only to elicit a favorable response from others, you should find some interesting things about yourself based on your Moon."
However, Sun in 1st is similar to a Leo Ascendant....especially if Sun is conjunct the Ascendant. Sun in 1st is core,vitality,and self expression in areas of self.Sun in 5th house is like Sun in Leo.It's also at home in 5th house. Leo and 5th house are both ruled by the Sun. 5th house is associated with Leo. Sun in 5th house indicates the core,vitality,and self expression in areas of self expression,creativity.
Planets in houses tend to have affinities with the planets in signs associated with the houses
1st/Aries2nd/Taurus3rd/Gemini4th/Cancer5th/Leo6th/Virgo7th/Libra8th/Scorpio9th/Sagittarius10th/Gemini11th/Aquarius12th/Pisces
Sun in 1st house similar to Leo AscMoon in 1st house similar to Cancer AscMercury in 1st house similar to Gemini AscVenus in 1st similar to Libra AscMars in 1st similar to Aries AscJupiter in 1st similar to Sagittarius AscUranus in 1st similar to Aquarius AscNeptune in 1st similar to Pisces AscPluto in 1st similar to Scorpio Asc
I agree with a lot of Leos being actors.
I know. I was referring to what MamaMia said.
Sun in the First House: gives you the traits of Leo, wanting attention and to be in the center of things at all times.
The Sun (self-expression) focused in the 1rst house is the Sun in the house of its exaltation (very easy energy). Since Sun rules Leo, some astrologers draw a connection between a first house Sun (exaltation) and Sun in Leo (rulership).
Personally, I find this kind of "simplifying" to create confusion for those newer to astrology. Instead of focusing on LEO (i.e., "Sun in Leo" is like "Sun in 1rst house), it makes more sense to focus on Sun. Sun is strong in its own sign (Leo). Sun is very strong in house of exaltation (1rst house). Keeping the focus on the Sun makes it clear that it is the Sun energy which is being discussed.
Explaining,
Indications of fame, that I know of:
Jupiter in Leo
Planets/points in Leo
Moon in Aquarius
Moon in the 1st house
Moon in the 10th house
Moon heavily aspected
Any planet or point within 2 degrees of an Aries point(Aries points are the 0' of all Cardinal signs;Aries, Cancer, Libra, Capricorn)
Close aspects to the MC(esp. from Sun, Moon, Venus, or Jupiter)
An actor would likely have some mercury/gemini and/or neptune/pisces aspects to the Midheaven, or in the 10th house.
bc fame is an interaction with the environment - you can't see how others *react to you* in your chart; you can only see what you do to try to get their reaction (win them over, for example, if you want the attention)
(ok, maybe the 11th since it's describes your dreams and hopes could tell if they'll become true or not)
ok, a 1st house moon with a 'me-first' attitude may get her way nowadays (like madonna), but only last century she would've hit her head a lot against walls;
so... what you do/want may be well received by others (and you get love, attention, fame) or not. depending on whether it fits the age you live in, the trend, etc etc... or maybe simply blind, old-fashioned luck
teal's theory about the moon is based on very old beliefs, actually. since ancient times, the moon refelcted the 'tide' (the trend of the time), thus als the public and its reaction/reception - building on the fact that one either has this feeling of "what the public wants", or hasn't (moon as the unconscious).
quote:According to The Only Astrology Book You'll Ever Need
I have this book! I haven't read it in awhile, but I liked it a lot. I got it before the internet and it was great for figuring out where all my planets and ascendant was. I should read it again.
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